• Retired 4 posts
    Nov. 3, 2017, 12:19 a.m.

    The following contains spoilers for a section of the Last train quest line

    I have been giving some thought to the time travel sequences in The Last Train set of quests and I realised that there are two very separate by equally fascinating paradoxs. The first the boot strap paradox of Said's Trinket. You first encounter Said's trinket when he explains that you need an item from the past in order to go back beyond a certain point. He says "I have no idea where I got this, but I have always had it so it must have had value". So we take Said's trinket and we travel back. finding ourselves in ancient Egypt where we meet a younger and very much alive Said who proceeds to pick our pocket and steal... the trinket. We, unaware that this has happened return to the present without the trinket. So the trinket never existed before Said lifted it and doesn't exist after we return. It quite literally exists between our being given it, our return to Egypt, Said lifting it and then holding on to it right up until he gives it to us. Where does the trinket come from?

    The second is the paradox of the broken arc. We arrive in the under city of Al-Merayah to find the arc we needed was broken, and so we return to the past, and find a trap protecting the fully functioning arc, oh know we think to ourselves however shall we overcome this dilemma? Oh right we have this broken arc, if we take the functioning arc and replace it with the broken arc then we have solved the problem. we arrive back having thwarted the evil archetects plan to turn us into bee pancakes with the functioning arc which means that the broken arc we replaced it with is sitting on a pedestal awaiting us to arrive and claim with dismay OH NOES THE ARC IS BROKEN. From the very moment we arrived we were caught in a time loop that was unbreakable and unavoidable. The only reason we have to go back and replace the broken arc is because we went back and replaced the broken arc.

  • Retired 1103 posts
    Nov. 3, 2017, 12:05 p.m.

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    Lawl 🙂

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  • Retired 39 posts
    Nov. 4, 2017, 12:35 p.m.

    It could be worse. Imagine having an accident in the past and dying before you even had the chance to be pickpocketed. 😲

  • Retired 4 posts
    Nov. 6, 2017, 9:32 p.m.

    Then one of two things would happen Said would not get hold of the trinket and therefor you would have no way of going back.. or he would find it on your body and that would be the time loop. Plus we are bees so... 😝

  • Retired 39 posts
    Nov. 11, 2017, 9:44 a.m.

    Excellent points! The first case I find especially intriguing as it will end up being a parallel time line. So you basically die in the past of a future different from the one you left... Reading back I am not sure I understand that sentence myself... buzzes off to collect more honey

  • Jan. 10, 2018, 8:51 a.m.

    An alternative is that Said sent the trinket back to you, which would lead to Said having a copy of the contemporaneous original, which is wherever it wasback then... Said then acquires the original sometime during the intervening centuries and gives that to you to take back...

  • Retired 39 posts
    March 28, 2018, 7:50 p.m.

    Elaborating on that, we would be talking parallel time lines... and the fascinating possibility of the same trinket from parallel time lines ending up in one and the same time line, with Said ending up getting the same trinket more than once! Now there's a collection worthy of a person of his timeless stature! 😀