• July 19, 2016, 6:36 p.m.

    I'd to address the general tone of cabal chat. Recently we've had some problems and misunderstandings, and I want to talk about how we would like to move forwards.

    We want people to be free to talk in the cabal channel. I don't think any of us officers want to have to spend time censoring stuff and repeatedly telling people off. Hell, it's bad enough when we have to tell people no politics in cabal chat.
    We want to keep cabal chat positive. TSW is a game which we play for fun. However, that should not be at the expense of someone else's fun. We are not saying that we only want members to be happy sunshine folks all the time. Everyone has bad days, and we know that sometimes it's hard to not just vent a bit in chat. We do want people to try to be aware of the impact they are having on others though.
    By all means, talk to your friends, but please think about the tone and the audience. If you're getting into personal stuff, please think about whether a tell or a more private channel would be more appropriate.

    It can be very easy to get into the habit of talking with friends in a way which is not appropriate for cabal chat. Many groups of friends use casual insults in ways which would not be appropriate with strangers (I know my social group does IRL!). The problem is that for people outside the immediate group, this kind of behaviour can have unintended impacts. Some people don't appreciate the negativity. Others don't know that it's something originating from a small group and think it's part of the wider norm.
    This can lead to a snowball effect where negative language becomes increasingly normal. This can be in terms of insults aimed at individuals, social groups or genders. This is not meant with malice (normally), or sincerity, it just becomes part of the wider attitude of what is considered socially acceptable.

    We don't want to police cabal chat. We want people to use it to chat with their cabal mates. But please, keep it positive, and if you have any problems, don't just brush them aside or sit on them. Talk to a Master Commander or the person you are having a problem with. It's probable that they didn't know you're upset and had no intention of offending.

    OK, example time. PlayerA and PlayerB have a jokey relationship. After a while, PlayerA then feels PlayerB is taking it too far and has crossed lines. PlayerA tells PlayerB that they aren't happy with the tone. PlayerB does not stop, so PlayerA lets the MCs know. An MC has a quiet chat with PlayerB asking them to stop. If they don't, then there is a clear history for us to follow in terms of official reprimand.

    To conclude, please remember to treat each other well and with respect.

    AWOL

  • Retired 18 posts
    July 20, 2016, 9:43 a.m.

    I'd like to apologize if I ever said something wrong or inappropriate and didn't realize that because of being in a bad mood. I know I had moments when I was a little bit more harsh than I'd want to.

  • Retired 1103 posts
    July 20, 2016, 10:47 a.m.

    Everybody has those moments Ubros, I've never noticed them from you 🙂 This is just a general code of conduct to clarify matters, it's not directed at anyone specific.

  • July 20, 2016, 11:28 a.m.

    I don't think we want to get into anyone feeling that they need to apologise for anything said in cabal chat. I think it's better to draw a line under what has come before, and try to move into the future with a positive perspective.

    We're not asking people to not be grumpy after a bad day, because that's just human nature. What we would ask is that as a whole we keep cabal chat positive so that everyone can enjoy playing the game and chatting with the cabal.

  • Retired 13 posts
    Aug. 2, 2016, 4:18 p.m.

    Nicely stated and sincerely appreciated. I continue to be very impressed with this cabal.

  • Retired 18 posts
    June 26, 2017, 3:14 p.m.

    No politics in cabal chat?

    There used to be plenty of smurf bashing as I recall ....

    Well, I guess with multi-faction cabals now, that's gone out with the bathwater 🤓

  • Retired 1103 posts
    June 26, 2017, 3:48 p.m.

    There will be a certain amount of reasonably worded conflict, just outright saying "Fuc*ing lumies are scum" or similar about any faction probably is a bit over the top... but for general banter use your discretion, as long as it's not just "let's bash" without intelligence or humour it's ok I'd say. There will be a opening of a reasonable amount of RP regarding this, which we have yet to do, but we'll get onto it as soon as things settle down.

    The addage don't be a dick, or dickess applies here 🙂

  • June 28, 2017, 8:28 a.m.

    You think you're sorry, Anna'? This whole chat conduct means TS-13 will have to erase 90% of his personality xD

  • June 30, 2017, 9:24 a.m.

    Actually cabal charter only says that politics in Teamspeak are prohibited, so by rules as written politics in cabal chat should be alright.

  • June 30, 2017, 12:59 p.m.

    So the charter says no politics in chat channels.

    The paragraph follows the Teamspeak section, but is not limited to that section.

  • June 30, 2017, 1:57 p.m.

    It doesn't say anything about cabal chat in charter accessible from "Cabal Information" in site menu: http://omnedatumoptimum.red/Cabinfo/Charter.html

  • June 30, 2017, 2:12 p.m.

    Thanks for the catch, looks like we forgot to update that page properly from the quick version 🙂

    Tbh though, it should be a pretty obvious thing. We have always asked our members to respect each other and to keep cabal chat a relaxed atmosphere. We're not saying you can't talk about politics ever, but it's often a subject which divides people along harsh lines and leads to argument. If we see any conversation that is starting to upset people, then we'll ask for a subject change. Cabal members are free to continue discussions in private of course, but we don't want situations where chat channels or voice channels get overwhelmed by arguments or rants. It's the kind of thing which some people will enjoy, but many others find to be uncomfortable and not fun. We want cabal chat to be a positive environment, not somewhere overwhelmed with salt and arguing.