Fight Club Griefing

I was chatting with someone who suggested that perhaps my promotion of "No Griefing" in Fight Club might not be true and in fact be taken as a challenge by Griefers. The assertion was that a team of 5 Could in fact Grief .

My reaction was (Like women who look at Busty women and announce "They're Fake!") and the problem is...?

But on consideration it deserves a deeper discussion. This is that. These are My thoughts:

Background

We determined (SCIENCE!) that the Buff in Seoul is really very evening.
There are a few PvP achievements possible in FC but they are of no real consequence.
There is no XP AP or SP awarded in FC.
There is little to be gained in the Seoul FC save experience and practice.(If it is not a social excercise)
Damage doesn't endure past Death and there is no Looting.

Griefing

Still, A coordinated team could do a great deal of damage quickly. They could gang up on whoever they targeted and kill them in an instant.
No one would enjoy that.
That team of griefers might take the whole thing as a challenge.
Everyone hates griefers.

Why this hasn't happened to date

I suggest these reasons:
There is no real benefit to griefing in Seoul. except for the joy of slaughter.
That level of Coordination takes real effort. I have been organizing this thing for months and I can testify that it is HARD to be that coordinated.
One person even fabulously equipped couldn't really grief effectively because the Crowd wouldn't (I suppose) stand for it. They Might not even notice. Part of the Joy of Fight Club is the wanton slaughter. One person's attempted griefing is another's next target.
When said grifer would get a Kill, that target revives really fast and can return for vengeance in 15 seconds or less..

What to Do if it were to Happen

I can imagine a number of responses

Response in Kind

FC participants team and target the Griefers doing to them what was done to us. This has the advantage of 'Giving them a Taste of their Own Medicine' .
In its way it might be great fun - I tend to think that it Might encourage them.
We might just outlast them. I suspect this is the likely first reaction.

Ignore them

Really, how is this all that different from normal fight club? If they aren't chatting with us, and we aren't deliberately engaging, where is their griefing fun?

Dance Party

I cant imagine how disheartening this would be for the Griefers- The fallen Step out into the PVP area and just dance. right there in front of the door. Get killed without fighting back, and then return and do it again. Just as no one spends hours in the test area in Argatha (where you shoot dummies) No one is going to spend their game time essentially doing nothing productive albeit target practice. After a while their team would fall apart, then we Slaughter the fools who stay.

There's a difference between griefing and unbalanced PVP. Griefing is often linked to non-PVP behaviour, whether it be verbal harassment, kill stealing, rumour spreading etc. It's not just people bringing friends to PVP - it's stuff like having 5 people in the fight club who are only hunting one person. It's not an issue for everyone else, and they'll end up taking fire from uninvolved people too, but the individual being griefed ends up having no fun because they get nuked as soon as they're PVP flagged. Yeah, you can respawn and run back in, but if you come back in only to be killed instantly, then that's not fun.

There's nothing wrong with good spirited trash talk, but that's not the same as griefing. Ignoring them is one of the few options we have, but that won't stop them killing the individual repeatedly. It doesn't sounds very fun for the griefer, but there are some people who get pleasure knowing that they're ruining someone else's night. It's not just normal PVP activity, there are some genuinely malicious people out there.

So far the only time I've seen anything like what padre is describing is when TS, Luqs and Nexus joined up together and started mowing people down in a coordinated fashion. The solution to that was to form our own team and mow THEM down. It worked and it was fun while it lasted. They didn't seem to be targeting any one particular person, so it was more like valid tactics than griefing.

I think the solution to anyone trying to grief in fight club is to grief the griefers. Unless the "bad guys" significantly outnumber the rest of us, they won't last long once everyone else in the zone is targeting their ass.

Both points are well made. Our EO's is a desription of something I witnessed and describes what I expect would happen . AWOL's point is a lot darker extending this outside of fight club and into the realm only fully realized when one has 2 x chromosomes. It is scary. Outside fight club I can't imagine what could be done (presuming the Mods are unsympathetic- which may well not be true). As for ruining the participants day...if they are here for the fight, yeah it's going to be bad. But if they are here for the Beer, (metaphorically the social experience) they can wave from the gallery as the rest of us seek vengeance. If all else fails. DANCE PARTY! (The evil would find it boring too)
I'm not so sure SWL is as full of evil players as the Master Commander seems to suggest. If you love abusing others, surely you left SWL already for Overwatch or something eh?